- Walther P1 Serial Number Dates
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- Walther Serial Number Chart
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Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929)
PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model.
When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK.
(A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there.
I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack. But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix ,1940 or 41 would be a good guess.
The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.
Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof.
4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.
That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any
perfect order.
Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue.
A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area.
May also be on the slide, on the right side usually.
Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.
Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol.
On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag.
Not a lot of hard and fast rules however!
I'll see if I can find that list.
(I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it. I'll check it anyway)
Added.
I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it.
It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K)
Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate.
Hope this helps,
- Post-war P38 serial number versus date production chart This information is taken only from original, serial number matching pistols. Serial Number Caliber Slide Legend Date Date Location Commercial (E/N)? 001xxx 9x19mm P38 5/57 Slide No 016xxxE 9x19mm P38 62 Frame Yes 165xxx 9x19mm P38 2/.
- Walther licensed Emco in Gasden, Alabama, to manufacture the PPK and PPK/S in 1983, and production continued until 1999. Smith & Wesson became the licensee to produce the guns beginning in 2001, an arrangement that continued until 2012.
The Walther Model 4
by Ed Buffaloe
Walther P1 Serial Number Dates
Walther Serial Number Date Of Manufacture
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- Sometimes referred to as the transitional model or Model 3/4.
- Approximate serial number range: 29,000 - 34,085*
First Variant
Slide Serrations Mass effect 2 unlock all armor. - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65. WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner.
- On the earliest pistols, the right side of the slide was blank. Later pistols had (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line. Some pistols were marked “Made in Germany.”
- 12 triangular cut vertical slide serrations up to serial number 34,000, after which 7 angled square-cut serrations.
- Safety lever has circular grooves.
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide rounded.
- No rear sight, but had a groove along the top of the slide.
- Triangular or ramped front sight.
- Release for the slide extension/front recoil spring bushing on right front of slide, similar to the Model 3.
- Front portion of frame is squared off.
- Dull blue finish (likely rust blue).
- Approximate serial number range: 35,000 - 45,055*
Early Second Variant
Slide Serrations - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65. WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Right side of slide marked (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line, or in rare cases blank.
- 7 angled square-cut slide serrations.
- Safety lever has circular grooves.
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide still rounded.
- No rear sight, but had a groove along the top of the slide.
- Most front sights were hemispherical, but a few were triangular.
- Most have no disassembly release catch. A few very early guns still retain the catch.
- Guns with no disassembly release catch have front portion of frame beveled at the bottom.
- Approximate serial number range: 50,014 - 225,056*
Late Second Variant
Slide Serrations - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65 WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner. Very late guns have “WALTHER’S-PATENT CAL. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Early right side of slide marked “Carl Walther WAFFENFABRIK Zella St.Bl”. Middle period have right side of slide marked “Carl Walther WAFFENFABRIK Zella St.Blasii”. Most guns have right side of slide marked (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line, or in rare cases blank, or for very late second variant guns “WAFFENFABRIK WALTHER ZELLA-MEHLIS I”.
- 7 angled square-cut slide serrations.
- Safety lever checkered (though I have noted at least two guns in this range with circular grooves).
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide flattened to allow for rear sight. (Early guns, through at least serial number 77233, continue to have the rounded slide, and through at least 67614 have no rear sight.)
- Drift adjustable raised rear sight in a dovetail mount.
- Both hemispherical and triangular front sights.
- No disassembly release catch.
AS - August Schuler, Suhl
G - H.M. Gering, Heidersbach
GM - Gebruder Merkel, Suhl (intertwined GM in a shield)
GR - Gebruder Rempt, Suhl
M or IM - Immanuel Meffert, Suhl
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S&H - Schmidt & Haberman
- Approximate serial number range: 229,572 - 261,451.*
- Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “WALTHER’S-PATENT CAL. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner. Some may be marked only “PATENT CAL.7,65”.
- Right side of slide marked (in capitals) “WAFFENFABRIK WALTHER ZELLA- MEHLIS” on one line.
- 16 fine triangular-cut slide serrations angled forward.
- Sefety lever checkered.
- Internal trigger bar.
- No disassembly release catch.
- Drift adjustable raised rear sight in a dovetail mount.
- Triangular front sight.
- Approximate serial number range: 252,258 - 266,000 and 480,000 to
500,000.* - The same as Third Variant, except:
- Left side of slide marked (in lower case italic) “Walther’s Patent Cal. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Right side of slide marked (in lower case italic) “Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis (Thür.)” on one line.
- High polish blue finish.
- Remove the magazine.
- Draw the slide back to make sure the chamber is empty and to cock the hammer.
- Press in on the barrel bushing, turn it counterclockwise (as you face the front of the gun), and draw it carefully off the end of the barrel under pressure from the recoil spring. (For the earliest variant, with a hand on the front of the gun to catch the barrel bushing, press down on the latch on the right front side of the slide.)
- Remove the recoil spring and sleeve by twisting them off the barrel.
- Pull the slide all the way to the rear, lifting the front of the slide slightly to get it all the way back, then lift the rear of the slide up and off the rails and pull the slide forward and off the barrel.
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